MR. DODD: When did you become a general in the SS?
HAYLER: I never was a general in the SS. After I had been appointed State Secretary, the Reichsführer bestowed on me the rank of a Gruppenführer in the SS.
MR. DODD: A Gruppenführer—isn’t that the equivalent of a general in the SS?
HAYLER: Yes and no. In the SS there was the rank of Gruppenführer and there was the rank of Gruppenführer and general of the Police or of the Waffen-SS; but the Gruppenführer was not a general if it was only an honorary rank. This could easily be seen from our uniforms, because we did not wear a general’s epaulets or a general’s uniform.
MR. DODD: You know Ohlendorf pretty well, don’t you?
HAYLER: Yes.
MR. DODD: He worked for you at one time. He was under your supervision. Isn’t that so?
HAYLER: I worked with Ohlendorf from 1938 on.
MR. DODD: You know, he has testified before this Tribunal that he supervised the murdering of 90,000 people; did you know that?
HAYLER: I heard about that.