MR. DODD: Well, that’s another matter. How often would you say, between 1943 and the end, the time of your surrender, that you met with Pohl to discuss matters of mutual interest between the SS and your own Ministry of Economics? Approximately, because I don’t expect you to give an accurate account, but about how many times, would you say?

HAYLER: I must give a short explanation about this. Between the...

MR. DODD: Give that afterwards. Give me the figure first.

HAYLER: Yes. Perhaps three or four times, perhaps only twice. I do not know exactly.

MR. DODD: Are you telling us three or four times a year or three or four times during the whole period between 1943 and 1945?

HAYLER: During my time in office, yes, three or four times; it was only one year.

MR. DODD: Did you talk to him about the Reichsbank’s or the Ministry of Economics’ co-operating in the financing of the building of factories near the concentration camps?

HAYLER: No.

MR. DODD: You know about that, do you?

HAYLER: No. This question was never discussed with me.