MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: That is what I wanted to prove. And as a matter of fact, it was taken after 1941, was it not? As a matter of fact, Bormann did not come to any important official position until after 1941, did he?
SCHACHT: Bormann?
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Bormann, yes.
SCHACHT: That I do not know.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, if we return to the Four Year Plan which began in 1936, as I understand it you opposed the appointment of Göring to have charge of the Four Year Plan on two grounds: First, you thought that that new plan might interfere with your functions; and secondly, if there were to be a Four Year Plan, you did not think Göring was fit to administer it?
SCHACHT: I do not know what you mean by “opposed.” I was not satisfied with it and considered the choice of Göring not the right one for any leading position in economics.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: As a matter of fact you have described Göring as a fool in economics, have you not?
SCHACHT: Yes, as one does say such things in a heated conversation.
MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Or in interrogation?
SCHACHT: Interrogations are also sometimes heated.