THE PRESIDENT: I think this would be a good time to break off.
[A recess was taken.]
DR. SAUTER: Witness, you have spoken in another connection about the fact that you did not consider officers suitable as youth leaders. I would be interested to know how many members of the leadership corps of the Hitler Youth in 1939 at the outbreak of the war were reserve officers in the Armed Forces.
VON SCHIRACH: I would judge that the leadership corps of the HJ had about 1,300 leaders. Those were leaders of the Banne, leaders of the districts or regions, and the corresponding staff of assistants. Of these 1,300 youth leaders, 5 to 10 men were reserve officers.
DR. SAUTER: And how many active officers did you have at that time on your staff or in the leadership corps?
VON SCHIRACH: Active officers were not youth leaders and could not be youth leaders.
DR. SAUTER: Why not? Was that contained in the regulations?
VON SCHIRACH: Yes. An officer was not permitted to be a member of the Party or any one of its organs or affiliated organizations.
DR. SAUTER: Who was responsible to you for the physical education and sports programs in the Hitler Youth?
VON SCHIRACH: Obergebietsführer Von Tschammer-Osten, who was also Reich Sports Leader. In the Olympic year he co-operated very closely with me and voluntarily subordinated himself to me in December or November 1936. He was responsible to me for the entire physical education of the boys and girls.