I am interested in knowing who Dr. Fischer was. Was he in the Central Bureau, or who was he?

HOEPKEN: I do not know a Dr. Fischer either in the Central Bureau or in the Reichsstatthalterei.

DR. SAUTER: Then how do you explain the fact that in these reports it always says, “To the Reich Defense Commissioner for the Defense District XVII, for the attention of Oberregierungsrat Dr. Fischer?”

HOEPKEN: I assume he was a colleague of Oberregierungsrat Dr. Felber, who specialized in these matters. Also I see they were secret letters, and were therefore addressed to him personally.

DR. SAUTER: As far as you know, did not the Regierungspräsident Dellbrügge report to the Defendant Von Schirach on these reports which reached him, or have one of his officials report about them?

HOEPKEN: The Regierungspräsident reported directly to Herr Von Schirach about matters concerning the Reich Governor and the Reich Defense Commissioner. I was not present at these conversations; consequently I cannot say to what extent he reported to Von Schirach on these matters.

DR. SAUTER: If the Regierungspräsident or one of his officials reported to the Defendant Von Schirach on these reports, would that be shown in the documents?

HOEPKEN: Probably yes. In that case the Regierungspräsident or the officials would have had to write on them “To be filed after being reported to the Reich Governor,” or “for further action.”

DR. SAUTER: On the documents which I submitted to you there is no such indication?

HOEPKEN: On these documents, no.