THE PRESIDENT: Yes, go on.
M. HERZOG: With your permission, I will begin again.
“Sturm gave the following report from his sector on work discipline...”
And on the following page: “We are working with the Gestapo and the concentration camps, and we are certainly on the right track.”
Did you make any observations when that statement was made?
SAUCKEL: I did not hear that statement myself. He gave a specialized report on questions of labor legislation, as it says at the beginning. I am seeing the record for the first time in my life. There were several parallel meetings at the same time. I did not hear it myself, but it stands to reason that some sort of ruling regarding penalties had to be made, as is done in all labor legislation.
Perhaps I may read to you from the same document, the beginning:
“Measures regulating the employment of labor and wages are only possible on the basis of a healthy working morale. Regulations of a disciplinary and penal character for securing such morale require unified handling, the details of which will be dealt with at a subsequent meeting of experts on penal law.”
That is, of course, not one of my offices.
M. HERZOG: I asked you what you thought of Dr. Sturm’s statement.