SAUCKEL: May I read in connection with Dr. Sturm’s statement, at the end of the first page...
M. HERZOG: Will you please answer my question first? What do you think of this statement?
SAUCKEL: I have already answered.
M. HERZOG: Please answer my question. What do you think of this statement?
SAUCKEL: I did not know of this statement, as Sturm, I believe, came from some other department. I do not know whether he belonged to the Ministry of Labor itself, or to some other department; that I cannot say. I did not hear these statements...
THE PRESIDENT: Watch the light. Do you not see the light in front of you?
M. HERZOG: Do you not remember that an agreement was reached between you and the Chief of the Police and SS to hand over to the Gestapo those workers who were guilty of leaving their work?
SAUCKEL: Well, there had to be an authority in Germany which dealt with workers who left their places of work without being entitled to do so. It could not have been done by any authority other than the Police; there was no other way. In connection with this document I beg to be allowed to read some more from Page 1:
“Apart from that, the number of penalties imposed by the authorities on German workers, such as reprimands, fines, concentration camps, and legal penalties, was relatively surprisingly small. In cases dealt with by the public prosecutor the penalties inflicted amounted on an average to 0.1 to 0.2 for every 1,000 workers.”
M. HERZOG: What has that to do with the question which I asked you about your relations with the Gestapo and the concentration camps?