THE PRESIDENT: German tanks and German armored vehicles?
KEMPKA: Yes, German armored cars.
THE PRESIDENT: Did you have any conversation with the drivers of them?
KEMPKA: No, I did not talk to the drivers. I think State Secretary—former State Secretary Dr. Naumann did.
THE PRESIDENT: And then you did not get into the tanks or the armored vehicles?
KEMPKA: No, we did not get in—neither State Secretary Dr. Naumann nor Reichsleiter Bormann.
THE PRESIDENT: You just walked along?
KEMPKA: I just walked along, yes.
THE PRESIDENT: And where were you with reference to Bormann?
KEMPKA: I was behind the tank, about—on the left-hand side behind the tank.