THE PRESIDENT: Do you mean that you met him in the street?
KEMPKA: Yes. Martin Bormann was not present when we left the Reich Chancellery; he did not appear at the bridge until between 2 and 3 o’clock in the morning.
THE PRESIDENT: You met him there just by chance, do you mean?
KEMPKA: I only met him by chance, yes.
THE PRESIDENT: Was there anybody with him?
KEMPKA: State Secretary Dr. Naumann from the Ministry of Propaganda was with him, as well as Dr. Stumpfecker who had been the last doctor who was with the Führer.
THE PRESIDENT: How far were they from the Reich Chancellery?
KEMPKA: That is—are—up to—from the Reich Chancellery to the Friedrichstrasse station is approximately a quarter of an hour’s walk under normal circumstances.
THE PRESIDENT: And then you saw some tanks and some other armored vehicles coming along, is that right?
KEMPKA: Yes, yes indeed.