Q. You don’t think so?
A. It is not an evil to carry out experiments.
Q. But isn’t it an evil to have to go through an experiment as an experimental subject?
A. I should say not. I have served myself as an experimental subject many times, and I do not consider it an evil.
Q. Don’t you think it is very unpleasant to become infected with malaria, to have fevers, and other undesirable symptoms of that sort?
A. Yes. It is unpleasant, but not an evil.
Q. Perhaps we don’t understand each other. You don’t want to say it is a pleasure to have malaria?
A. No. It is not a pleasure.
Q. Is it not a very unpleasant and serious disease that lasts for many years?
A. It is unpleasant, yes.