Defendant Rothaug: Investigations is not the word I meant to say. I wanted to say that by negotiations, matters which concerned the administration of justice were to be settled on a lower level.

Q. What kind of matters—which concerned the administration of justice?

A. What we had in mind was attacks which within the sphere of the Party were made against the administration of justice. I can illustrate that by an example.

Q. It is not necessary now. No, I understood you to act under this suggestion as an intermediary. Was that your word?

A. That I was to become the intermediary?

Q. Yes, between what parties or what groups?

A. Between the SD and the administration of justice.

Q. Yes, and then you said since these matters are all matters to be dealt with by me afterwards, it was reasonable that you should be the intermediary. Did you refer to legal matters?

A. That concerned matters—cases which might be brought before me or which were already pending before me. Matters in which those agencies were interested for reasons of criminological developments, but they were not interested in the individual case as such, in its treatment, or in the decision.

Q. And what was the lower level where the matters were to be first discussed?