Q. Now I know that you said in 1941 that Goering had said to you that he would never forgive you and Dr. Guertner for centralizing justice, is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And now when you desired to have a conversation with Goering, would you go to Karinhall or would he come to the Reich Ministry of Justice, as a rule?
A. No, no. In such cases when Goering wanted to speak to me, he called me up and asked me to come and see him. Goering at that time dealt with a case in which he wanted to have a legal opinion. That was why he wanted to talk to me. On that occasion, we came into that conversation.
Q. Did Goering agree to support your plan at this conversation you had with him between 6 and 12 May 1942, or do you recall?
A. I take the liberty to explain that. I told him what my plan was, and he told me, “But that is the only possibility to handle these things.” [He said] I could not get anywhere in my field if I did not have that right of confirmation.
Q. Now in May 1942—about that time during May and June 1942—Reich Marshal Goering would have had the capacity to be a very strong ally, did he not?
A. That could be stated in that general way, and now in retrospect I could not state for any particular month because the relations between Hitler and Goering changed continuously. And with Goering it might have been similarly. It depended upon the question in what temper Hitler was met.
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