The second method which I suggested, and which I also discussed in a lengthy article, which will be submitted as an exhibit is the idea of the administrator of justice [Rechtspfleger]. This is an idea which conforms with the investigations I made in England about the master, the registrar, and the clerk.[266] The aim here is clear too, namely, that the judge should act during the trial exclusively as a judge and must be relieved of the burden of all technical preparations and of the tasks which are not truly the tasks of a judge.

The third method which I suggested was a change in the structure of the German courts as a whole. Details about this too are not only in my memorandum, but in articles which will be submitted in evidence here. My aim was to introduce, in the place of the super organization of the German courts, a nonbureaucratic, simple, and clear structure of organization of the courts. In this organization of the courts the idea was decisive for me that every judge in Germany should have the same rank, but not as it had been up to now where the judge had to wait for and was dependent upon a promotion so that his activity, even subconsciously, was guided by his aim of being promoted. I wanted to do away with all titles. In my opinion, every judge deserves only the title “judge.” I was of the opinion that through these changes, the inner independence of the judge would be strengthened. The decisive factor for this inner strengthening of the judge was my suggestion to take the judges out of the general group of civil servants.

In my memorandum I attempted to explain to Hitler the basic difference between a regular civil servant and a judge.

This, of course, would have meant that the judge, from the point of view of his income, his position, and especially his reputation, would occupy an overwhelming position in Germany. I expressed this as follows and underlined it. The position of the German judge must, ideally and materially, be organized in such a way that it will appeal to the best of the future lawyers. And with this question namely the pure civil servant career of a judge, up to this time, is connected another request I made, that only a person should be appointed judge who before that had worked in another profession and had there gained experience, be it in economics, be it in another sector of the state, or above all, as an attorney. I was of the opinion that only a person of advanced age and older than was usual in Germany—I said that the minimum age should be 35—should become a judge, because a man who is very young and who has not, outside of a quiet life as a civil servant, been forced to fight and to gather experience, is not able to judge about the fate of people which is entrusted to him in the courtroom in a just and humane manner. And the last point of these suggestions for reform is the training of judges already at the university. I started with the assumption that the legal questions are very essential for the pronouncing of a sentence, but that the decisive question in every trial is the finding of the facts and the evaluation of the persons, be it the witnesses, the plaintiff, or the defendants. The training that was given at the German universities was in former times exclusively concerned with legal problems. At the university the students listened as an audience to a professor who read out his lectures on legal theory; that to be sure is necessary, but it had to be supplemented by a practical point of view. This recognition I had gained from my long experience as a tutor in Hamburg, and therefore my detailed suggestions which are mentioned in the memorandum which I later carried in Berlin. And perhaps I may be permitted later to go into them in detail.

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Q. I now go into the individual cases. First I put the question to you. On page 6 [section III] of your memorandum you said (NG-075, Pros. Ex. 27)[267]: “Occasionally the opinion is represented that an authoritarian state cannot bear a strong judiciary.” Whom did you mean? Who represented that point of view occasionally?

A. That is very clear that the Party and the SS represented that point of view.

Q. You meant thus your opponents in your daily life?

A. Yes.

Q. In your legal practice?