Mr. King: Dr. Rothenberger, I am frankly puzzled by seemingly contradictory statements in your memorandum. Let’s go over it once more. You say, on the one hand, that you want an independent judiciary. You say, on the other, that the Fuehrer is the supreme judge, and all judges must act like the Fuehrer. Now, unless you meant that all judges must act in accordance with the wishes of the Fuehrer, your memorandum means absolutely nothing and is pure double-talk. If that isn’t what you meant—if you didn’t mean that the Fuehrer’s decisions should be the final decisions—just what do you mean by all that talk of the Fuehrer being the supreme judge?
Defendant Rothenberger: I said in my memorandum that theoretically the Fuehrer is the highest judge in Germany; I also expressed that the individual judge in his decision must be independent even in his relationship to the Fuehrer. What I attempted to achieve first was to eliminate all other influences on the judge and therefore to establish this direct connection between the Fuehrer and the judge. Therefore, my suggestion in order to say it clearly to put in place of the influence of Bormann or Himmler, the so-called “Judge of the Fuehrer,” who would influence the Fuehrer in the capacity of a judge, and would therefore not only try to direct the development in Germany into quite different channels in a legal respect but in every respect.
Q. Let me put this question to you. If, under your program, as you envisaged it in 1942, a judge came to a decision, and that decision was known not to be in accordance with the Fuehrer’s views, in your view whose opinion should have prevailed, as you intended it to work out?
A. The decision of the judge.
Q. Then what do you mean when you say the judge must judge like the Fuehrer?
A. The Fuehrer does not have the right to touch a decision made by a judge.
Q. Dr. Rothenberger, we know that that wasn’t so in practice, don’t we? We have seen instances where it didn’t work out that way, haven’t we?
A. Unfortunately, after I wrote this memorandum, especially here in this trial, and also when I was in Berlin already, I found out that the Fuehrer acted in a different way. The purpose of this memorandum, however, was merely the following: to convince the Fuehrer that the men who had influenced him so far and in that direction were wrong. My knowledge from Hamburg was not sufficient in order to know already at that time that the Fuehrer himself could not be convinced. But that is not only my own tragedy, but the tragedy of the entire German people.
Q. Did you ever consider the possibility that the Fuehrer in reading your memorandum read it literally and decided that when you said “The Fuehrer should be the supreme judge,” that you meant what you said? Did you ever consider that possibility?
A. Yes, I considered that possibility.