Q. Before, when you were speaking about the registry and the delivery of letters, you mentioned that many letters went directly to Bormann, to the Fuehrer headquarters. Thus, these letters did not go to Munich to the divisions that had been established there. Was there any standard in regard to the distribution of these letters, to whom they were to be sent?
A. If personal letters to Bormann in his position as Reichsleiter or as secretary of the Fuehrer were received by a minister or a Reichsleiter or a Gauleiter or any other prominent person in the service of the State or the Party, these letters always went first to Bormann in the Fuehrer Headquarters. Other letters went quite frequently first to Bormann. It depended entirely on who of the people I described before, who did not have the requisite training at the registry, and the mail got such a letter into his hands and how he forwarded it. Of course, efforts were made to make as few mistakes as possible which would arouse Bormann. The result was that as much as possible was sent to Bormann so that the reproach could not be made that he had been skipped.
Q. Perhaps we can clarify this by means of an example. The prosecution introduced Document NG-558, Prosecution Exhibit 143.[412] This is a personal letter which Thierack wrote to Bormann, dated 13 October 1942. In this letter the information is passed on that in the extermination of Jews and Poles the administration of justice wanted to give a helping hand. In the form in which it is submitted, this letter is addressed personally by Thierack to Bormann. I am asking you whether this letter went via your Group III-C, that is the legal division, or whether Bormann later sent it to your legal division and thus informed you about it?
A. Whether this letter was sent to Bormann too, by Thierack, I don’t know. It did not come to Munich to Group III-C. I personally saw this letter for the first time here when the document was submitted.
Q. We have another document here, that is NG-280, Prosecution Exhibit 70.[413] It is a letter which Lammers, who was then Chief of the Reich Chancellery, sent to Bormann. It is a complaint about an inadequate sentence regarding a Pole. This document contains several letters. We are here concerned with the third letter with the address: “To Reichsleiter Bormann.” I ask you to also make a statement in regard to this whether the legal group or you personally had this letter, as shown to you, put at your disposal.
A. This letter came to Bormann personally, and in the same way as the preceding letter from Lammers to Bormann which was written by him personally. Group III-C, Bormann-Lammers, was not informed about this correspondence. I have to add something here. Bormann had, after all, two functions. He was leader of the Party Chancellery and he was secretary to the Fuehrer. He stayed almost exclusively in the Fuehrer Headquarters. It was often difficult to find out whether Bormann acted as leader of the Party Chancellery or as secretary of the Fuehrer. In a case like the one here, Exhibit 70, certainly the Fuehrer exercised criticism and to that extent Bormann then acted as the Fuehrer’s secretary. He then referred the matter to the State sector via Lammers. In addition, an exterior circumstance must be considered between the Fuehrer Headquarters and the Party Chancellery in Munich; there were thousands of kilometers. For some time the Fuehrer headquarters was in Vinnitsa in the Ukraine. In the immediate proximity of the Fuehrer Headquarters were the field headquarters of Lammers, that is, of the Reich Chancellery. For purely technical reasons the mail went immediately back and forth between the Fuehrer Headquarters and Lammers’ field headquarters.
Q. Another interim question, Mr. Klemm. You characterized Bormann in two capacities; one, as leader of the Party Chancellery, and secondly, as secretary of the Fuehrer. This letter which I am just showing to you, however, contains the designation Reichsleiter Bormann. Was that a third capacity in which Bormann worked?
A. In contrast to other Reichsleiters, as far as I know, Bormann became Reichsleiter, more or less, in title only. Goebbels, for example, was a Reichsleiter too, because he was in charge of the Reich Propaganda Office. On top of that, he was also Reichsleiter Goebbels, the Gau Leader of Berlin. At the very moment in which Bormann became leader of the Party Chancellery and in addition secretary of the Fuehrer, the concept Reichsleiter did not signify a special office or a special function any more.
Q. That is enough. Since you have described the geographical and technical conditions in which the correspondence went as a rule, I now want to ask you in principle, did you at all receive information about that correspondence which went to Bormann to the Fuehrer Headquarters or which went from Bormann from the Fuehrer Headquarters or which went from Bormann from the Fuehrer Headquarters to other State offices or Party functionaries?
A. That depended. There were several possibilities. Either Bormann answered such letters immediately himself, or those parts of the Reich leader’s office which were also in the Fuehrer Headquarters dealt with them. I have already mentioned that sometimes up to three jurists belonged to the Reich leader office who advised Bormann.