A. Yes, I saw that from the original files of the Nuernberg Special Court, SG 256/43.[436]
Q. Both the witnesses Pfaff and Gros today draw back from this judgment.[437] Gros said that he voted against it. Pfaff wasn’t clear in what he said about it. My first question to you is this. Did you in any other case announce a judgment without having had at least one associate agree with your view, as provided by law?
A. No, I never did that.
Q. Did you force Gros and Pfaff to agree with you in passing the death sentence on these defendants?
A. In this case they were as free in their decision and in their opinion as I left them in every other case.
Q. What did the court say of the offense against the woman, Kaminska? Was the decision in accordance with the indictment?
A. No. The court did not convict Kaminska under article 1, section 4, No. 1 of the law against Poles and among us judges there was a fairly long discussion on that point. That is to say, we debated the question as to whether the offense of Kaminska could be sentenced under the provision of the law against Poles which I have just mentioned. As far as I remember the associate judge, Pfaff, was inclined to answer that question in the affirmative. Gros, as well as myself, however, had doubts about that. That legal provision assumes that the violent crime was directed against a member of the armed forces in which case the death sentence becomes mandatory. But in view of the entire facts of the case it appeared doubtful whether Kaminska, in committing her offense, had realized at all that the person she was attacking was a member of the armed forces. According to the facts, that element did not play a part. In the view of Gros and myself, therefore, the elements needed for convicting a defendant under part I, section 4 of the law against Poles were lacking. The further examination had to discover whether the offense was to be sentenced under article I of the decree against violent criminals of 5 December 1939.[438] That question, too, we debated at great length and that is a point which I remember. We scrutinized quite a number of decisions made by the Reich Supreme Court and studied a number of commentaries. As far as I recollect, neither of the associate judges had any doubts about that view.
With these Reich Supreme Court decisions the legal questions had been clarified beyond all doubt.
Q. Witness, is it correct that Kaminska was not convicted under the law against Poles?
A. Kaminska, as the law against Poles prescribes in paragraphs II and III, was convicted under the decree of 1939, the decree against violent criminals, which applied to all violent criminals in Germany, and she was convicted under that law as concerns the question of her guilt as such and as concerns the sentence.