A. Yes.
Q. The treatment of hereditary provisions according to the plan for the distribution of work was to be dealt with by Department VI of the Ministry of Justice.[443] In connection with the intended contents of the provisions in article II of the draft, could that not justify a conclusion that you and your department had something to do with that decree?
A. No, the order that Jewish property was to be forfeited to the Reich in case of death of a Jew was not a hereditary ruling. It was a matter of police confiscation and that concerned only the Ministry of the Interior and only that Ministry was responsible. That is evident too from the document itself and that from the final draft, no, not the final draft, the draft before the final draft, which shows that the provision of article II, section I, originated with the Ministry of the Interior.
Q. I am now going to show you the text of the 13th amendment of the Reich Citizenship Law. Please have a look at article II of the decree. On the basis of this provision, do you have further indication that Department VI did not have anything to do with the promulgation of this decree? A. Yes, the wording of these provisions, already in article I, because if Department VI, I mean the section that dealt with hereditary law, had had anything to do with this decree, they would have chosen the version which existed in the civil code for hereditary rights of the State [Fiskus][444] which is provided there for special cases. I am referring to article 1936 in the civil code, which has always existed. Furthermore, the provision under article II shows that hereditary rights of Jews and non-Jews, [benefiting from the will] of a deceased Jew as such were not affected. Otherwise, one could no longer have spoken of persons entitled to inherit. According to that provision, or rather in spite of that provision, for example in the case of a mixed marriage, the Jewish partner of the marriage could be or become heir to the non-Jewish partner. In the case of hereditary settlements, provisions would have had to be made concerning the rights of third persons, that is to say, non-Jewish subsequent heirs. Furthermore, we would have had regulations concerning the legal validity of transactions among living people, concerning the part of the estate not comprised by inheritance regulations. Section II also mentioned non-Jewish persons entitled to receive support from the deceased, although generally in the case of death any obligation to look after the maintenance of third persons comes to an end.
Q. If Department VI had had anything to do with the 13th decree, what Referent of the Department would have dealt with it?
A. Ministerialdirigent Dr. Hesse, Ministerial Counsellor Rexroth, or Ministerialdirigent Dr. Stagel would have dealt with it in that case.
Q. Did Department VI have anything to do with the handling or carrying out the 13th decree?
A. No.
Q. Did you or Department VI at a later time have anything to do with the handling of Jewish hereditary law?
A. Yes, in 1944 the Minister of the Interior approached the Reich Ministry of Justice with a request concerning an executory order of the 13th decree, to incorporate in it provisions, which were to change or amend article II of the Reich Citizenship Law. The ministry of the Interior had recognized that article II had certain defects, and therefore asked us to find a solution concerning the hereditary law. I objected to this request from the Reich Ministry of the Interior, although the Minister of Justice was of different opinion.