Mr. Stern. So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. Holland. Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. Stern. There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. Holland. That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and——

Mr. Stern. Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. Holland. Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't—that I didn't recognize myself.

Mr. Stern. Had they been, as far as you could tell, checked by the police?

Mr. Holland. He was checking them as they came on top of the underpass.

Mr. Stern. Did it seem to you that everybody up there had been checked by this policeman for identification?

Mr. Holland. I think everyone was checked by some person.