Mr. Stern. Yes. Can you estimate the number of people that were on the overpass immediately as the motorcade came into view?
Mr. Holland. Well, I would estimate that there was between 14 to 18 people.
Mr. Stern. Now, where was the motorcade when you first saw it?
Mr. Holland. Turned off the Main Street—in front of the county jail.
Mr. Stern. Turning right off of Main onto Houston?
Mr. Holland. It was coming down Main and turned off of Main onto Houston.
Mr. Stern. At that time will you show me on this drawing where you were and just make a mark and put the No. 1 next to that mark. That is where you were at that time? Roughly in the middle of the overpass over Elm Street?
Mr. Holland. That's right.
Mr. Stern. And where, in relation to the concrete fence that——
Mr. Holland. Picket fence or concrete?