Mr. Hawkins. I heard something that I thought was a snap. I didn't know whether it was a snap of a pistol—I later learned that they were sure it was. I didn't know whether it was a snap of the gun or whether it was in the seats someone making the noise.
Mr. Ball. There was some noise you heard?
Mr. Hawkins. Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. Ball. You couldn't identify it?
Mr. Hawkins. No, sir; I don't think so—I don't think I could say for sure.
Mr. Ball. Did you see anybody strike Oswald with his fist?
Mr. Hawkins. No, sir; I didn't see anyone strike him. They had, as I said, they had gotten back into the seat and officer Hutson had grabbed Oswald from behind and Officer Walker had him by the left arm and the gun went across and McDonald had grabbed him by the right hand and Sergeant Hill grabbed the gun and at this time I handcuffed his left hand. There were several officers shortly after that arrived at the scene.
Mr. Ball. Did you see any officer there with a shotgun?
Mr. Hawkins. I don't recall any officers. I know I had seen some officers with a shotgun, but I don't recall whether any officer had one, but it is possible that they did have.
Mr. Ball. The men who were struggling with Oswald were first, McDonald, and you——