Mr. Jenner. And it is your distinct recollection, which we can confirm, of course, or try to, that these periodic 4- to 5-week trips—a trip every 4 or 5 weeks to Houston, took place in 1962 and 1963, to the time they left, and even might have been prior to 1962?
Mr. Voshinin. Well, yeah, they may; I don't know.
Mr. Jenner. When did you and your wife become quite conscious of the fact that the De Mohrenschildts were making periodic trips to Houston?
Mr. Voshinin. After Professor Jitkoff started complaining that the De Mohrenschildts became a nuisance.
Mr. Jenner. All right. And that was when?
Mr. Voshinin. And then we started recollecting about the De Mohrenschildts telling, "Oh, we have to go on business to Houston." So, that probably was late 1962.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Mr. Voshinin. You see, we go to Houston usually two times a year to visit the Jitkoffs who are dear friends of ours.
Mr. Jenner. Do you recall whether or not these trips to Houston were being made in September of 1963?
Mr. Voshinin. In September of 1963, they were not here.