Mr. Mamantov. It is fully assembled.

Mr. Jenner. It has a telescopic sight on it and the leather sling?

Mr. Mamantov. Captain Fritz brought it in and was holding it in his two hands, with two or three fingers, not to touch gun around—in that position (indicating).

Mr. Jenner. Holding it up—holding it like that (indicating)?

Mr. Mamantov. More or less—you see—inclined in that position.

Mr. Jenner. Holding it up horizontally or close to the horizontal?

Mr. Mamantov. That's correct, and it was brought close enough to her to examine. She was specifically asked if this was the gun she had seen in the past in that blanket. She said, "I don't know. All guns to me are the same, are a dark brown or black."

He asked her again—"This," which was to me very dark or black colored. He said, "Is this what you see?" She said, "No, I don't know. I saw the gun—I saw a gun;" she said again, "All guns are the same to me." Then they asked her about a sight on the gun.

Mr. Jenner. S-i-g-h-t [spelling]?

Mr. Mamantov. Yes; a telescope—she said, "No; I never have seen gun like that in his possession," and she referred back again to the Soviet Union.