Mr. Crafard. I’m not sure.
Mr. Hubert. Perhaps we can get it by approaching the times. Apparently you left Lansing about an hour and a half after you got there, after you got there about midnight or so, and correct me if I am wrong. We could assume that you left Lansing with a series of short rides which took you 60 miles, approximately 1:30 to 2 o’clock on the morning of the 25th, is that correct?
Mr. Crafard. Yes, it must have been about that.
Mr. Hubert. And would you care to estimate for us as to how long it took you with the series of short rides to cover the 60 miles to which you have referred?
Mr. Crafard. It would be an hour and a half, 2 hours, 2 hours and a half.
Mr. Hubert. Perhaps it would help if you look at it in this way. Do you remember whether the next long ride that took you into Mount Pleasant you got before or after daylight?
Mr. Crafard. It was before daylight.
Mr. Hubert. It was still dark?
Mr. Crafard. I walked about—where this guy let me off at it was about 5 miles from where there was any light and I walked up where there was light to get a ride.
Mr. Hubert. I didn’t quite understand that.