Mr. Phenix. Right; I just saw it once and we were so busy, but I think it was the one where Ruby’s hat was in the corner of the opening frame and he steps out.
Mr. Hubert. You have seen it since, haven’t you?
Mr. Phenix. Oh, yes.
Mr. Hubert. Did you know Ruby?
Mr. Phenix. No.
Mr. Hubert. Had you observed him in the crowd prior to these events?
Mr. Phenix. I can’t remember it. I heard someone say in the crowd after they took Ruby and after Oswald left in the ambulance that it was Jack Ruby, and the name didn’t mean a thing to me.
Mr. Hubert. Did you hear anybody running down the ramp just before the shooting, running down or possibly walking down?
Mr. Phenix. No, I think if he had been running I would have heard him because the sound just echoes in that basement.
I saw some film, and I’m sure you’ve seen it too, some of the film that showed Ruby positioned down there, and he looks back where you catch almost a full shot of his face before Oswald comes down, and that anyway—it just looks like he was there for a while.