Mr. Griffin. Do you have any idea whether Jack was as close to Kaufman as you were to Jim Martin, for example?
Mr. Senator. I don’t know, but I know that—as a matter of fact, even now during the trial, trying to get the new trial now, I know that they keep in contact with Kaufman. So I don’t know what you want to actually call close, you know. I can’t tell you what close is.
Mr. Griffin. How about John Hilt?
Mr. Senator. I never heard of that name.
Mr. Griffin. Dick Shepard?
Mr. Senator. No; I don’t know that, either.
Mr. Griffin. Abe Klinman?
Mr. Senator. Abe Klinman is a CPA. I know him.
Mr. Griffin. Did he do work for Jack?
Mr. Senator. He has done some work for Jack.