Mr. Ruby. Right.

Mr. Griffin. Now the Berger Products Co. is in Philadelphia.

Mr. Ruby. Oh, Berger Products. They made a plate, and the reason I called them, I have got to go back. When I sold my company, Earl Products, the fellow I sold it to couldn’t pay me all the money. So we made a new deal. He gave me some money and some of the operation back. That is how I got back the camera and the nameplate. Berger is also in the nameplate manufacturing business, and I wanted to sell him the nameplate business if I could. That is why I called him. Now I know. It is Philadelphia. That must be the Berger Co.

Mr. Griffin. Now did Mr. Hubert ask you if you knew anybody at the Mar-Din Co.?

Mr. Ruby. No; he didn’t ask me that. Yes; I know those people.

Mr. Griffin. How do you happen to know them?

Mr. Ruby. They were one of our best accounts years ago when I first got into manufacturing.

Mr. Griffin. This was in the Earl Products?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; the Earl Products Co.

Mr. Griffin. What sort of things did they purchase from you?