Mr. Griffin. Have you ever seen him cry?

Mr. Hansen. I sure have.

Mr. Griffin. When have you seen him cry?

Mr. Hansen. I have seen him cry, and fight and cry, and fight and cry after. He would fight and cuss up a storm and cry. He is very emotional.

As long as the chips are down, he had to go, and then kind of break down. That is his reaction. I have seen that.

Mr. Griffin. What would he be crying about?

Mr. Hansen. Well, I don’t know. I never have cried like that. I don’t know why he would cry, unless I guess we are all emotional people. Some people control their emotions, and other people can’t.

We have all got a breaking point. Some of us go longer than others, and I guess he is that kind that gives way and shows his emotions more than other people.

I can’t recall offhand seeing a man that was as good a man as he was physically. But as far as emotional, he would go from one extreme.

Ruby is a little potbellied man. They say he has lost a lot of weight. Jack did calisthenics regularly. It was a religious thing with him. He did so many setups and so many pushups, and he will tell you about it. He did 125 pushups.