And I am satisfied, because when you get hold of him, he was a lot more man than his size would indicate, and I am satisfied he did breathing exercises, and he believed in that.
He used to get on me all the time and say, “You are getting too much belly. You got to get that off.”
He had a lot of heart. I mean, that is my personal opinion. He had a lot of heart.
I think the old boy—this is just my personal opinion in knowing him—I think his background and the way he was raised and where he was raised, I don’t think he had everything. Everybody was trying to kick him down, and he had to scratch hard for everything he got.
And like I said, he is for the underdog all the way. If he saw somebody that was down, he would reach down in his pocket and help. He is just that kind of man.
Also, I think Jack would like to have amounted to something. He would have liked to have been respected or looked up to. He would like to help his social status.
Mr. Griffin. Did he ever say anything to you that indicated that?
Mr. Hansen. Well, not directly, but in conversation with him, he could tell he would like to get up. He would like to be somebody. He was an ambitious man, and yet he was humble. He was humble.
He knew in his own mind that he didn’t have the education to be where he would like to be, but still he wanted to be there. That is the impression I got from knowing him the short period of time I have known him.
Mr. Griffin. I appreciate your telling us all that.