Mr. Hubert. In front of the screen.
Mr. Johnston. Ruby was in the same row back behind two tables with chairs in front of them. I was standing on the little podium with Mr. Henry Wade, the district attorney of Dallas County, and a couple of the Dallas police officers and I can’t at this time recall who they were, but we were standing on the podium part and were about 10 feet from Oswald. Mr. Ruby was, I would say, from 18 to 22 feet out in front of us.
Mr. Hubert. When did you first notice him there?
Mr. Johnston. When he came up and introduced himself to me.
Mr. Hubert. That was after Oswald had been removed?
Mr. Johnston. That was after Oswald had been removed from the room. Chief Curry ordered him removed because the newspaper people started milling a little too much, which he told them he was going to do, and he removed him from the room.
Mr. Hubert. But your thought was and is now that Oswald was in that room for approximately 30 or 40 minutes?
Mr. Johnston. No, sir.
Mr. Hubert. You said it was between 11:30 and 12:15?
Mr. Johnston. Yes; it was between 11:30 and 12:15, but I would say that they had Oswald in that room less than 10 minutes.