Mr. Hubert. What makes you believe he had departed?
Mr. Saunders. I don’t recall having seen him. As I say, I can remember him being around for approximately 30 minutes and it was considerably longer than that before the report on the Tippit shooting came through.
Mr. Hubert. Is it a fact, of course, that the report on the President’s death came after the report of the shooting of Tippit?
Mr. Saunders. Right.
Mr. Hubert. So you would think that Ruby was gone when the announcement of the President’s death was made?
Mr. Saunders. Right—to my knowledge.
Mr. Hubert. Now, I noticed that in your statement which has been identified as Exhibit No. 1, you have made some remarks concerning your knowledge of Jack Ruby and his striving for recognition and his desire to do the right things and his respect for authority, and so forth. Can you give us some examples that would illustrate these characteristics?
Mr. Saunders. Well, Jack was always hovering around people in the newspaper business for some reason.
If myself or another salesman showed up at one of his clubs, it was almost the red-carpet treatment, which as advertising salesmen, we have no way to help him. We felt it was possibly a case of just wanting to be around newspaper people.
I know for a fact that Ruby quite often talked of knowing this police officer or that official in a bragging type manner.