Mr. Hubert. Sort of a name-dropping situation?

Mr. Saunders. Sort of a name-dropping situation.

Mr. Hubert. And that was consistent, and for a long time?

Mr. Saunders. Right—as long as I knew him, and at any time that he could be around anyone that had a name, regardless of what position, whether it be in the entertainment business, whether it be a columnist, or whether it be a city official.

Mr. Hubert. Did you see a specific example of that? If you could give us some specific examples, it would be helpful.

Mr. Saunders. Oh, just quoting a specific example, with names—it’s been so long ago that I would hate to hazard a guess. It would just be a guess on my part.

Mr. Hubert. What about his desire to do the right thing, which you recognize as a characteristic of this man, can you give me any examples of that?

Mr. Saunders. Well, from the time I first knew him, he always wanted to, and in conversations with him about his business, which was normal in our contact, he would want to strive to make his club better than the next club, so to speak, and he would constantly point out areas where if there was any rowdiness or loud, drunkenness-type parties in his club, he would throw them out.

Mr. Hubert. You have seen it happen?

Mr. Saunders. I’ve seen it happen, and not 3 weeks before the assassination—a Mr. Donald Campbell and myself, another advertising salesman, had visited for the first time his club.