Q. In any event, prior to the time that that decree was formulated in 1941, you had sent up in line with your official duty many of Rothaug’s comments on what the law, or what the situation lacked at that time?
A. That was certainly the case.
Q. In discussing the cases with Rothaug in these Saturday morning conferences, do you recall any particular case to which Rothaug referred?
A. You mean in a particular category of a criminal act?
Q. No, I do not refer to that. Perhaps my question was not clear. I meant in spectacular cases which were to be tried by Rothaug, or other judges in his court. In other words, did you discuss, or did he discuss with you the more spectacular cases at any time?
A. Yes, he did. I remember, for instance, the case of the Dachau criminal, I think it was Poelmann.
Q. One moment. I did not get that name.
A. Poelmann. That man Poelmann, if I remember correctly, had taken a large quantity of lard from a barn in Fuerth, I believe at night. There may have been several hundred pounds and also other things. If I remember correctly, Poelmann was sentenced to death by Rothaug. The verdict I believe was not executed, but through a pardon was commuted into a long prison term, I think 8 years of hard labor. Rothaug talked to me at that time about that pardon, which technically reduced the death sentence, which in Rothaug’s opinion was a correct sentence, to a prison term.
Q. Do you remember any other cases that you discussed with Rothaug?
A. Yes, one typical case, the case of Katzenberger. That case Rothaug and I discussed also once, and I expressed my opinion that on the basis of information I had received, and also on the basis of opinion on what was known of the criminal, that the sexual relationship was not an accomplished fact, because the law, insofar as I knew, required the act of sexual relation between a German and a party of non-Aryan descent.