Dr. Kubuschok (counsel for defendant von Ammon): You have stated that you were not a confirmed National Socialist. In view of your attitude, did you not have conflict of conscience sometimes during your activity in the Ministry of Justice?
Defendant von Ammon: To a certain extent I have to answer “yes” to that question. In my official activity, I occasionally had to apply laws or other legal regulations or had to follow instructions issued by my superiors with which I was not quite in agreement in my own mind. In such cases I considered it my duty to follow such regulations and provisions which in my opinion though unpleasant were after all effective. Likewise, I considered it my duty to follow the instructions issued by my superiors. However, I would not have considered myself obligated to follow instructions issued by my superiors which were contrary to law. Such illegal orders however were not given to me. In such cases, however, a certain amount was left up to my own discretion and that happened in many cases. When I applied that discretion I tried as far as possible to make my own opinion apply. Of course, the possibility in those directions were not overly large since as a Referent I had to obtain the agreement of my superiors, the more important decisions. Because of my lenient attitude I was frequently objected to, especially by my superior Vollmer and the Minister of Justice Thierack.
Q. Did your attitude change when the war broke out?
A. Due to the outbreak of the war nothing changed in my basic attitude. I was of the opinion that since the war had broken out, independent of its consequences for national socialism, it would bring about the decision, “to be or not to be” for Germany. Therefore, I believed that every German had to fulfill his duty in his official position.
Q. I now come to the main charge which the prosecution has raised against you in regard to your dealing with the so-called NN cases. Under what circumstances were you entrusted with this new field of work?
A. The distribution of the Referate [sections] was as a rule made by order of the department chief without asking the Referent about it in advance. Thus, I too in February 1942 was assigned by my department chief, Ministerial Director Crohne, to work with NN cases without my knowing for the time being what these NN cases were all about.
Q. What tasks and authorization did you have as Referent of Department IV of the Ministry of Justice for NN cases?
A. In order to answer that question I first have to describe briefly the competency of Departments III, IV, and V.
Department III was the department for criminal legislation, Department IV was for the administration of criminal law, Department V was the department for the administration of penalties. It belonged to the competency of Department III; the preparations of the laws and regulations similar to laws, the housing of prisoners belonged to the competence of Department V and the treatment of these prisoners while they were in prison. Department IV, that is my department, dealt in the main with the cases against the defendants until they were sentenced by a court, including the clemency procedure. Furthermore, the issuance of general provisions regarding legal procedure in as far as Department III was concerned was not competent for this.
Q. As far as Department V was competent, what authorization did you as Referent have with regulation to your superiors?