A. Gramm and Mettgenberg have already testified to this, here on the witness stand. I only have to add some supplementary remarks. As Referent, I had to a certain extent the right to give my signature, that is to say, to a certain extent I could give written or oral statements by order. This right for signature, however, was limited, since due to my being subordinate to the department chief, and for the most part of my activities I was subordinate also to a subdepartment chief. During the first month of my activity in the NN cases my section was directly under the department chief. A few months later, however, Mettgenberg was put in charge as a subdepartment chief between me and the department chief. My authority in relation to my subdepartment chief and department chief were limited through general regulations rather carefully. The regulations applied which were contained in Exhibit 510 submitted by the prosecution.[470] May I refer to these regulations? Regarding the letters by the Ministry of Justice that were sent outside the Ministry of Justice which were submitted by the prosecution, in accordance with the provisions I mentioned, I did not sign a single one finally, but all the letters after I had also cosigned them I submitted to my subdepartment chief for signature. He then for the most referred them to the subdepartment chief or even to the under secretary or to the minister. If the prosecution, contrary to this, in this submission of several documents, stated that the letters of the Ministry of Justice were signed by me, that is an error. There are throughout letters for which I did give a cosignature, that is in the right hand lower corner, they bear my initials, but one of my superiors gave the final signature.
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Q. As Referent in NN cases, did you have a large staff of assistants?
A. No. I never had more than one assistant, and he worked only part of the time in NN cases, and then only at the beginning of my activity with NN cases. From the beginning of 1943 on I worked entirely without any assistance. From that time on, due to the heightened drafting for the Wehrmacht, younger gentlemen who could be assistants, were available only to a very limited extent in the Ministry of Justice. From that time on I had only a so-called “Mittlerer Beamter,” a civil servant in the intermediate level [of civil service] for registration and filing.
There was a special provision only for preparation of clemency pleas in death sentence cases. For that work, I had assistance from time to time.
Q. I refer to that extent to Document NG-988, Prosecution Exhibit 510, the plan of distribution of work which shows further facts. Witness, please give us a survey over the periods when the general administration of justice participated in the NN cases.
A. We can distinguish between two periods during which the general administration of justice was concerned with NN cases. The first period extends from February 1942 until October 1942; the second from October 1942 until September 1944, and to some extent until the end of the war. During the first period the executive regulations of the Reich Ministry of Justice of 6 February 1942[471] were decisive in their original form as they had been issued by Schlegelberger and Freisler. Two factors characterized this period. First, the police were involved in the NN cases only to the extent that the transportation of the NN prisoners from the occupied territories was carried out by the police; and secondly, for the sentencing of NN cases only some Special Courts were competent. The competency of the People’s Court did not exist at that time, for those cases.
The second period begins with the changes which were introduced soon after Thierack assumed office. The police now also became competent to the extent that the NN prisoners, for the detention of whom no legal reason existed any more, were transferred to the police for protective custody for the duration of the war.[472] And for the trying of NN cases, in addition to the individual Special Courts, the People’s Court now is competent too. This second period ends with the order that the NN prisoners should generally be returned to the police. This order was issued in September 1944. The return, however, was carried out until the end of the war only partly so that at the end of the war numerous NN prisoners were still in the detention of the administration of justice.
Q. We shall now turn to the first period for which the executive regulations of 6 February 1942 were decisive. Witness, were you involved in the drafting of these regulations and the discussions with the OKW which preceded this decree and which the witness Lehmann testified about?
A. No. I neither participated in the formulation of the regulations nor in the preceding negotiations. The regulations were worked out in the departments for penal legislation, first Department II and later III, and at that time I did not belong to either of them. About the regulations and the preceding negotiations, I heard only on the day when the regulations were issued. On that day—it was 6 February 1942—the presidents of the courts of appeal and the attorneys general of those districts in which the NN cases should in the future be tried, had been ordered to the Ministry of Justice for a discussion.